Comments on: Why the European Union also needs to be Energy Independent http://www.prodromus.com/2008/08/19/why-the-european-union-also-needs-to-be-energy-independent A forerunner to the future... Why we need to become energy independent. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:16:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Uncle B http://www.prodromus.com/2008/08/19/why-the-european-union-also-needs-to-be-energy-independent/comment-page-1#comment-174 Uncle B Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:54:46 +0000 http://www.prodromus.com/?p=81#comment-174 If the U.S. had chosen to be a moral people, and leaving Iraqi oil alone, and following Al Gore, decided to develop the South Western deserts, with the technology of the times - solar/thermal-molten sodium - electricity installations, for the same amount of money as that war cost, ($650 Billion), today, we would be tapping into the largest, renewable, sustainable, energy source the world has ever known. It would have paid every energy bill in the U.S.A. for maintenance fees only - FOREVER! It would be equivalent to an oil field that can NEVER run dry! Low cost electric power, and storeable hydrogen gasoline replacement from the electricity, for all! After the millions of murders, and $650 billions of dollars, borrowed from our children’s futures and pissed away, with thousands of our own and others maimed and disfigured for life, millions of families utterly destroyed, ours and theirs, we are no closer to Iraqi oil production than the Iraqis are! The next time you hear a blithering idiot spoiled brat, drunken, drug addicted, sociopath, rich Arabic saber dancing daddie’s boy oilman, stand at a microphone and threaten YOUR safety with someone ELSE’S weapons, remember what you lost America, remember, and weep! (also see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan) If the U.S. had chosen to be a moral people, and leaving Iraqi oil alone, and following Al Gore, decided to develop the South Western deserts, with the technology of the times – solar/thermal-molten sodium – electricity installations, for the same amount of money as that war cost, ($650 Billion), today, we would be tapping into the largest, renewable, sustainable, energy source the world has ever known. It would have paid every energy bill in the U.S.A. for maintenance fees only – FOREVER! It would be equivalent to an oil field that can NEVER run dry! Low cost electric power, and storeable hydrogen gasoline replacement from the electricity, for all!
After the millions of murders, and $650 billions of dollars, borrowed from our children’s futures and pissed away, with thousands of our own and others maimed and disfigured for life, millions of families utterly destroyed, ours and theirs, we are no closer to Iraqi oil production than the Iraqis are!
The next time you hear a blithering idiot spoiled brat, drunken, drug addicted, sociopath, rich Arabic saber dancing daddie’s boy oilman, stand at a microphone and threaten YOUR safety with someone ELSE’S weapons, remember what you lost America, remember, and weep! (also see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan)

]]> By: Prodromus http://www.prodromus.com/2008/08/19/why-the-european-union-also-needs-to-be-energy-independent/comment-page-1#comment-68 Prodromus Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:27:06 +0000 http://www.prodromus.com/?p=81#comment-68 I think with a hold on 25% of the oil and 50% of the national gas used in Europe, Russia does have a fair amount of control over the EU when it comes to energy supplies. Back in 2006, Russia's Gazprom briefly cut off gas supplies to Ukraine, bringing Hungary, Austria and Slovakia near shortage levels and forcing the EU to intervene. That is called control. I agree with you that the EU has done a much better job than the US in terms of renewable energy and conservation. Those are both areas that the US needs to invest in to become energy independent. When I discussed NATO's reaction, I was including the US. The global community is more willing to appease as opposed to confronting Russia. Confrontation does not just mean War. No one wants war with Russia, but we can impose economic and diplomatic sanctions. I think with a hold on 25% of the oil and 50% of the national gas used in Europe, Russia does have a fair amount of control over the EU when it comes to energy supplies. Back in 2006, Russia’s Gazprom briefly cut off gas supplies to Ukraine, bringing Hungary, Austria and Slovakia near shortage levels and forcing the EU to intervene. That is called control.

I agree with you that the EU has done a much better job than the US in terms of renewable energy and conservation. Those are both areas that the US needs to invest in to become energy independent.

When I discussed NATO’s reaction, I was including the US. The global community is more willing to appease as opposed to confronting Russia. Confrontation does not just mean War. No one wants war with Russia, but we can impose economic and diplomatic sanctions.

]]> By: Laane http://www.prodromus.com/2008/08/19/why-the-european-union-also-needs-to-be-energy-independent/comment-page-1#comment-65 Laane Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:06:27 +0000 http://www.prodromus.com/?p=81#comment-65 Not all of Europe is dependent upon Russian oil. And even though there's a European Union, that doesn't mean that the independence of the countries is lost. That means that Russia won't have as much control as you suggest. Another fact is that we in Europe are further in the development of other sources of energy than America. Take for instance windenergy. We're also better in saving energy in the household, and the way we built our houses are more targetted towards saving energy. I'm not very worried about Russia taking over the energy market. I think the way you're looking down on the reaction of the NATO is shortsighted. America is as much part of it as Europe. We here in Europe have a different culture as the one of America. The complicated situation of some former Sovjet Russion countries now belonging to Europe calls for a peacefull solution. Otherwise the poorest people will suffer. War isn't always the solution as many wars have shown. Laanes last blog post..<a href="http://www.laaneworld.com/2008/08/crashing.html" rel="nofollow">Crashing</a> Not all of Europe is dependent upon Russian oil.
And even though there’s a European Union, that doesn’t mean that the independence of the countries is lost.
That means that Russia won’t have as much control as you suggest.

Another fact is that we in Europe are further in the development of other sources of energy than America.
Take for instance windenergy.
We’re also better in saving energy in the household, and the way we built our houses are more targetted towards saving energy.

I’m not very worried about Russia taking over the energy market.

I think the way you’re looking down on the reaction of the NATO is shortsighted.
America is as much part of it as Europe.
We here in Europe have a different culture as the one of America. The complicated situation of some former Sovjet Russion countries now belonging to Europe calls for a peacefull solution. Otherwise the poorest people will suffer.
War isn’t always the solution as many wars have shown.

Laanes last blog post..Crashing

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